Before there was a Sig P226 or a Beretta M92 there was a the Browning High Power. I just purchased a WWII Hi Power and am in the first of a 3-day inspection period and am concerned about the markings, or lack thereof. The John Inglis Company of Canada acquired six FN Hi-Powers from China and reverse engineered The problem is this mark was used from 1818 (muzzle loading period) until 1893, so that hardly narrows down the time frame. High Power or Hi-Power: If the gun is marked “Fabrique Nationale,” it is a High Power. It was then picked up by the FN Factory in Belgium and they completed the design in the late 1920s and went into production. The changeover from WaA613 to WaA103 occurred at SN 65285, only 35 numbers away from that of this pistol, and it may be that new stamps of the correct style were not available at the time of the changeover. fn high power ,fabrique nationale wwii german military proofed description: fn high power wwii period under german management with nazi military proof marks eagle 140, in all the right places ,this is the 2 nd variation which has the tangent sights to 500 meters ( good luck ) , there were 3 variation for this model , cal 9mm, all ser. So, is it possible that a 140 waffenamt mark tangent hi power could have a mag without any markings? Other Browning favorites are the Buck Mark and Hi Power. So a lot depends on size, etc. (John Inglis). Sweeney Discovers the Browning Hi Power. German: Foreign Mfg. FN Hi Power. T258001-261000 C=Hi Power: 1976-1997: In 1975 Browning standardized its serial number identification which it followed until 1998. I'd rather beat a bad guy to death with my Browning High Power, than shoot him dead with a "plastic pistol". There's no indication of gauge. I would judge gun about 90%. Come join the discussion about the history, technology and extraordinary background associated with these design masterpieces. I have two. JavaScript is disabled. JavaScript is disabled. I'd rather beat a bad guy to death with my Browning High Power, than shoot him dead with a "plastic pistol". I'm not at all in the know on the Hi-Power line, except to know that a lot of people like them A LOT. Proof Marks, Arsenal & Inspector Marks In addition to arsenal marks, you will find other marks or stampings. The Hi-Power is one of the most widely used military pistols in history, having been used by the armed forces of over 50 countries. Only one "NORIS" Hi-Power is known. Fast & Free shipping on many items! Many thousands of FN Hi-Powers were made in Belgium when occupied by the German Army and all were taken. … The 1911 is Browning’s classic pistol on which numerous other handguns have been born. It should have some Belgian proof marks. What markings would be on an original German WWII High Power magaine? The markings on the breech area of the barrel are early Belgian nitro proof marks for rifled barrel and parabellum pistols. Jim cpw, where did you get you information on the pre war markings (magazines)on Belgium H.P.? These are even less common. The Hi-Power is one of the most widely used military pistols of all time, having been … Proof Marks, Arsenal & Inspector Marks In addition to arsenal marks, you will find other marks or stampings. A community dedicated to Lugers, Central Powers, Axis, Allied and related WW-I and WW-II pistols by their scholars, collectors, owners and enthusiasts. Now this is a great example of the information available at this forum!!! The left side of the frame is also marked with an Eagle holding a globe with swastika and “E / WaA140”. Example: 69C1000 = A 1969 Hi Power pistol with a serial number of 1000. Example: 69C1000 = A 1969 Hi Power pistol with a serial number of 1000. The heir wants to sell it. Examples produced by FN in Belgium under German occupation bear German inspection and acceptance marks, or Waffenamts, such as WaA613. Duke plinks steel with an Inglis Hi-Power. It is in very good condition with 85% original finish. To find your serial number, you will need to refer to your owner's manual. It follows (I am not sure if the Tables will com over properly) West German Commercially Marked Browning High-Powers For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. This is a beautiful factory new P-35. In addition to the Waffen marks, one is marked with an A in a circle, and the other with what looks like a C in a circle. If present, the meaning is unknown and are likely assembly or control marks. I just purchased a WWII Hi Power and am in the first of a 3-day inspection period and am concerned about the markings, or lack thereof. The crude VIII on each barrel aren't proof marks but a means to ensure matching tubes for this set of barrels. No other markings anywhere on the magazine other than the circle c. Doesn't appear to be as high quality as I'd expect from pre-war stuff, but I know little about these. The major departure from the 1911 on the High Power … Browning Hi-Power pistols were used during World War II by both Allied and Axis forces. Pistols and Holsters. The third mag is only WaA103 marked. But this one is a particularly good one. Before there was a Sig P226 or a Beretta M92 there was a the Browning High Power. Some pre war mag parts were used by the Germans. FN Hi-Power front sights were staked to the slide. (non-P08) Pistols & Holsters. The roll mark on the slide is the only marking on the pistol other than the serial number and proof marks. Forums > Handguns > Browning Hi Power Handgun > Found a Hi Power with shoulder stock and holster- 4-digit SN Discussion in ' Browning Hi Power Handgun ' started by R.G. He was not provided a weapon by the army so a friend gave him the pistol after taking it … Moving to the left side of the receiver, we can see that the pistol is marked “Mk. Asking $2900 obo My Grandfather was a war time journalist for "The Yank" during WWII. My first introduction to the Hi Power came when I was working at The Gun Room, a gun store I called employer from 1978 to 1982 or so. Interestingly enough, most people do not know that the Israeli Kareen was designed to fire the 158gr FMJ submachine gun round fired from Uzi's, thus, it was actually designed to be stronger than the Browning HP. Here is the good things: Shoots and works great; Has a good bore; Apparenty was made in WWII because the barel has Nazi proof marks. Any ideas of a fair price? As for proof marks, the oval with E/LG/* inside makes it indeed Belgian. German: German Mfg. A forum community dedicated to handgun owners and enthusiasts. "LONG LIVE THE FN-BROWNING-SAIVE HIGH POWER" John Browning & Dieudonne Saive's Designs Will Always be Light Years Ahead of All the Others. I was always intrigued by this handgun, I think mainly because so few pistols have been used by so many different countries for a military sidearm. There are 4 variations of markings (or lack of markings) on WWII German Hi-Power magazines. T258001-261000 C=Hi Power: 1976-1997: In 1975 Browning standardized its serial number identification which it followed until 1998. http://www.patreon.com/ForgottenWeaponsCool Forgotten Weapons merch! https://gerardcox.blogspot.com/2014/06/deciphering-belgian-proof-marks.html Description: I have a 1938-39 Hi Power, Pre-War, Serial Number: 25008, in 90%+ condition, for sale. (frame, slide, and barrel), and no import marks. However, with a pistol that age, you never know what could be going on. Even post-war? 4/5 Bore. 9mm HP INGLIS CANADA,” as shown above. I wrote an article for the NAPCA magazine a few years ago, which pertained to the marked Hi-Powers. Dating a FN Browning Hi Power with multiple markings. At least some of the German ones do. If the gun is marked “Browning Arms Company,” than it is a Hi-Power. How were Canadian magazines marked? But as I mentioned, the markings you mentioned were also used before the Germans came. Now you can date your Browning firearm. 1*” and “BROWNING-F.N. Additional Browning photos can be seen here WaA613 WaA103 WaA140 No WaA markings in the foregoing order. Between 5,000 to 7,000 pieces were made and delivered to Lithuania in the late 1930s, prior to World War II. It was also later licensed to Inglis in Canada. The Browning Hi-Power is a single-action, 9 mm semi-automatic handgun.It is based on a design by American firearms inventor John Browning, and completed by Dieudonné Saive at Fabrique Nationale (FN) of Herstal, Belgium.Browning died in 1926, several years before the design was finalized. Note also that the Lithuanian army has employed the Browning Hi-Power in more recent times. Save Share. The gun is manufactured by FN Belgium and is serial No. Has three extra 13 round magazines that come with it. There is only 1 pistol, and it is a 1936 browning hi-power. 1933-1945: Mauser Lugers. These include the date, serial number and property marks as well as various acceptance and proof marks. (frame, slide, and barrel), and no import marks. For a while, Canada used decals to mark property. You would have to l ook for Nazi Waffenamt marks. But unlike the 1911, the High Power has always stayed under the Browning name and it is still manufactured today by Miroku in Japan. I can't speak for the German HPs, but the WWII Canadian made Inglis magazines are marked with a small "JI". Army, Navy, Police, Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. It is mint and would make a … HI, John. There are also Hi-Powers marked "AKAH" and "GECO". FWIW, my A marked mag and C marked mag also appear to be WaA140 marked. It has no collector value. Late German maybe? German troops subsequently used the Hi-Power, having assigned it the designation Pistole 640(b) ("b" for belgisch, "Belgian"). It was made by Fabrique Nationale in Belgium, and was designed by John Moses Browning like like the Colt 1911. The serial number found on your gun has the answer. The acceptance stamps and proof marks appear somewhat crude and without the definition seen on other Browning High Power, Luger and P38 pistols used during the war. The condition is poor so I would value the gun at no more then 300 to 350. Nothing got to the 1″ mark, but multiple brands hit the 1 1/2″ to 2″ mark. Markings: The left side of the slide is marked “FABRIQUE NATIONALE D’ARMES DE GUERRE / HERSTAL BELGIQUE”, “BROWNING’S PATENT DEPOSE”, with an Eagle holding a globe with swastika and a “E / WaA140” Waffenamt. According to the gentleman, it's all original, matching numbers, and stamped with the eagles. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The gun is manufactured by FN Belgium and is serial No. The one in my collection has British proof marks. But unlike the 1911, the High Power has always stayed under the Browning name and it is still manufactured today by Miroku in Japan. 1966 Browning Hi-Power Made in Belgium New Condition in correct Browning Pouch with Manuel. Since the U.S. has no proofing houses (as in England, France, Germany and ... 1868-1925 London definitive special super power proof for parabellum pistols 1868-1925 Birmingham voluntary special black powder proof Jump to Latest Follow 1 - 7 of 7 Posts. An average group from Duke’s FN Hi-Power (above) using 115-grain FMJ factory ammunition is an acceptable 2-3/4 inches at 25 yards. Maybe I was just looking in the wrong places? "LONG LIVE THE FN-BROWNING-SAIVE HIGH POWER". PROOF MARKS 2403 The proof marks shown below will assist in determining nationality of manufacturers when no other markings are evident. http://www.gunnyboy.com/post_list.php?uid=2953&post=e2f9247929b404b2fe98ba6f32301e3b Video of shooting the old WWII Nazi proofed Hi Power. These include the date, serial number and property marks as well as various acceptance and proof marks. There were no other WaA marks that I could find though. Like the the original models, these are marked with the Pillars of Gediminas . FN Browning Pistols, Side-Arms that Shaped World History is the quintessential reference book on FN Browning pistols and reflects the continued work of Anthony Vanderlinden on the topic. 38266a. Were there just be a WaA or were other markings used too? The major departure from the 1911 on the High Power is the … 38266a. I have always wanted a "Browning Hi Power" since I was a teenager. Browning died in 1926, several years before the design was finalized. The subject gun is a fixed sight version with original finish, all matching serial nos. Other marklings may or may not be present. Great deals on Gun Parts Browning Hi Power. This area will help you read that serial number. C=Hi Power This was then followed by the serial number beginning with 1000. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. One is a Browning 9mm Hi Power with Nazi markings and an artillary sight, probably made in the late 1930s. Adaptability of Browning Parts. Are these HP markings pre-war or post-war? FN Browning Hi Power - Lithuanian Contract - sn 3xxx. C=Hi Power This was then followed by the serial number beginning with 1000. FWIW This Pre war mag came with my early Nazi tangent HP. I don't think some were marked at all? FN Browning Hi-Power (made some time between 1934 and 1938) Photos of a late 1930's Lithuanian Browning appear below. It was made by Fabrique Nationale in Belgium, and was designed by John Moses Browning like like the Colt 1911. -The Controller of Proof Mark (*O) was used by Watrin Charles from 1928-1965-My 1950 pistol has serial number 28,*** but serial numbers are not conclusive. It is much appreciated! In German service, it was used mainly by W… 1. So the Browning Hi-Power, actually John Browning first made the design for the Browning Hi-Power and he died before he completed it. A family member recntly passed away and has several old guns. The subject gun is a fixed sight version with original finish, all matching serial nos. Belgium HP 9mm. Shaw , … Charlie, thanks for sharing your years of research with us. Reply. Production continued until the end of the war. New to Browning Hi Powers, so please be gentle. All of the guns mentioned in this section will have full-blown FÉG Company markings and proof marks, and are not in any way fake FN/Brownings. The Browning Hi-Power. The acceptance stamps and proof marks appear somewhat crude and without the definition seen on other Browning High Power, Luger and P38 pistols used during the war. A small “C-Broad Arrow” acceptance mark is found on the left side of the trigger guard, also shown in the photo above. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! It is indeed a proof mark from the factory, although a great many Kareens don't have the proof. I have a third that only has the Waffen mark. Collectors get excited over things like this. Fighting Tyrants & Traitors is a 24/7 Job that Must be Done! Classic Gun Review: Belgian Browning Hi-Power Mk I. There should be some date code markings on different parts, indicating the year and quarter each part was made/inspected. Trick out or upgrade your firearm with the largest gun parts selection at eBay.com. Here's a picture...thanks for the help. Thanks, I've seen a c in a circle and was wondering if it was German WWII production. The guns I'm referring to here are clearly marked FÉG's. FN/Browning Hi Power 9mm. ... it does say browning patent depose on the side . After occupying Belgium in 1940, German forces took over the FN plant. 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